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that election will put in place democratically-elected government that will take over in december. there's been enormous progress in afghanistan, despite of what john edwards said 2 1/2 years ago. they just got it wrong. the fact is as we go forward in afghanistan, we will pursue osama bin laden and the terrorists as long as necessary. we're standing up to afghan security forces so they can take on responsibility for they're own security. we'll keep u.s. forces there. we have about 16,000 there. as long as necessary to assist the afghans in terms of dealing with their security situation. but they're makinging is cant progress. we've got president karzai is in power. they have done wonders of writing their own constitution for the first time ever. schools are open, young girls are going to school. women are going to vote, women are even eligible to run for office. this is major, major progress. there will be democracy in afghanistan. make no doubt about it. freedom is the best ant dote to terror. >> senator edwards, you have 90 seconds to respond. >> someone did get it wrong, but it
that election will put in place democratically-elected government that will take over in december. there's been enormous progress in afghanistan, despite of what john edwards said 2 1/2 years ago. they just got it wrong. the fact is as we go forward in afghanistan, we will pursue osama bin laden and the terrorists as long as necessary. we're standing up to afghan security forces so they can take on responsibility for they're own security. we'll keep u.s. forces there. we have about 16,000...
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but the president doesn't get elected -- we all know the president doesn't get elected and then just wipe planned parenthood off the map. >> when it comes to mitt romney, we'll call it moderation, when it comes to barack obama, i think the word of choice is evolution. >> fine. >> last i saw he evolved on gaye marriage. he evolved on things like the dream act and givi that executive order. so, listen, these things happen in campaigns. >> ana, this is exceptional. >> yeah. >> you're right. obama is a politician. he evolved, he flipped. but mitt romney on everything -- >> oh, i don't know if you want to call him moderate mitt, i like to call him in the lead. that works for me. >> you can look at the scoreboard. >> romney's going to play a very fine line because he is trying to move to the middle. and what we need to do on the democratic side is say he moves both ways. he's inconsistent. he really has no backbone, no spine. you cannot have that type of personality when you're a president of the united states. in every position that he has ever held in the governor and now as a candidate
but the president doesn't get elected -- we all know the president doesn't get elected and then just wipe planned parenthood off the map. >> when it comes to mitt romney, we'll call it moderation, when it comes to barack obama, i think the word of choice is evolution. >> fine. >> last i saw he evolved on gaye marriage. he evolved on things like the dream act and givi that executive order. so, listen, these things happen in campaigns. >> ana, this is exceptional. >>...
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in an election or even moving the polls temporarily. even when there have been significant mistakes made by some candidate such as when dan quayle was not able to respond to lloyd benson's charge that he was no jack kennedy. but the thing is, the thing is that its atmospherics. continuing the narrative, the pressures on joe biden to do something that causes people to not think about what happened in the last debate with the president. he's got to be able to get back on the offensive. he's probably been told a number of things that he's got to say. many of the things the president did not say, and hopefully, i think the obama campaign is looking for the needle to be bounced a little bit, even though there is no tradition that shows that the needle does gets bounced by vice presidential debates. >> there's a couple of months want to look at and get your reaction to. professor watson is joining us in florida. the first from the 2008 debate in which vincent joe biden and the vice president shall nominate with barack obama discussing the rol
in an election or even moving the polls temporarily. even when there have been significant mistakes made by some candidate such as when dan quayle was not able to respond to lloyd benson's charge that he was no jack kennedy. but the thing is, the thing is that its atmospherics. continuing the narrative, the pressures on joe biden to do something that causes people to not think about what happened in the last debate with the president. he's got to be able to get back on the offensive. he's...
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that is, you have a twice-elected, popularly-elected president of the united states, and so those you mentioned in the republican party who dislike him and what he stands for having been unable to beat him at the polls have found another way to get him out of office? cbs news has exclusive information including documents that now sheds new light on the president's service record. "60 minutes" has obtained government documents that indicate mr. bush may have received preferential treatment in the guard after not fulfilling his commitments. ♪ ♪ >> tonight we have new documents and new information on the president's military service and the first-ever interview with the man who says he pulled the strings to get young george w. bush into the texas air national guard. >> you sorry about that now? >> no. >> think the report was correct? >> yes. and i think most people know by now that it was correct. ♪ ♪ >> i want to ask you flat out, do you think president clinton's an honest man? >> yes, i think he's an honest man. >> do you really? even though he lied to jim lehrer's face -- >> w
that is, you have a twice-elected, popularly-elected president of the united states, and so those you mentioned in the republican party who dislike him and what he stands for having been unable to beat him at the polls have found another way to get him out of office? cbs news has exclusive information including documents that now sheds new light on the president's service record. "60 minutes" has obtained government documents that indicate mr. bush may have received preferential...
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. >>> let's get you back to the battleground states and back to election 2012. we go to ohio as governor romney looks to build momentum in that state that could make-or-break his white house bid. there was a huge 10% divide in ohio not long ago. it has tightened. with know republican ever has won the presidency without carrying ohio. last night estimated 12,000 supporters, crowded an ohio parking lot to hear governor romney speak. >> i've been watching some of the, president obama's rallies and they chant four more years, four more years and today there are 28 days before the election. i think the right chant ought to be for them, four more weeks, four more weeks. all right? [cheers and applause] and with an audience like this -- >> four more weeks. four more weeks. four more weeks. four more weeks. four more weeks. >> you got the idea. you got the idea. martha: john roberts is traveling with the romney campaign. he is in mount vernon, ohio, this morning. john, how are things looking? a lot of big changes in the numbers we're seeing in ohio? >> reporter: certain
. >>> let's get you back to the battleground states and back to election 2012. we go to ohio as governor romney looks to build momentum in that state that could make-or-break his white house bid. there was a huge 10% divide in ohio not long ago. it has tightened. with know republican ever has won the presidency without carrying ohio. last night estimated 12,000 supporters, crowded an ohio parking lot to hear governor romney speak. >> i've been watching some of the, president...
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the election. no doubt mitt romney's big performance injected new life into his presidential campaign. can his running mate, congressman paul ryan, dothe same thing in tomorrow night's presidential debate? listen to what mitt romney told wolf blitzer on "the situation room." >> are you confident that paul rin will take on joe biden thursday night the way you took on the president? >> you know, i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously the vice president has done, i don't know, 15 or 20 debates during his lifetime, experienced debater. i think this is paul's first debate -- i may be wrong. he may have done something in high school. i don't know. it will be a new experience for paul. i'm sure he'll do fine. >> paul ryan has actually done several debates during his copyingional career but none were bigger than the stage he will be on tomorrow night. good morning to you john, there in ohio. is it just the campaign trying to lower expectations here? >> reporter: in a word, don, yes. no
the election. no doubt mitt romney's big performance injected new life into his presidential campaign. can his running mate, congressman paul ryan, dothe same thing in tomorrow night's presidential debate? listen to what mitt romney told wolf blitzer on "the situation room." >> are you confident that paul rin will take on joe biden thursday night the way you took on the president? >> you know, i don't know how paul will deal with this debate. obviously the vice president...
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the esidential election isn't the ohm important race to follow. there are also some major state races on the feral level that cod impact the bance of wein thes.at . y to a pss olalent t er o virginia. he is here with a preview of what i'm talking about. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> steve: let's start with -- we're going to put up a graphic so people understand what the delicate balance of power is th drayoan, theu.s.at ldts republicans have 47. the republicans would love to have a number like 51. there are three races that you say could actually impact that balance of power. whitzaarart inassaet usnenco ow the republican. >> yes. if this were a midterm election, i put a lot of money on scott brown. the problem for sco brown is, barak obama is going to get vomahus. maybe exceed 60% of the ro wovr.w that is a big coat tail for any democrat. it's tough to swim against the coat tail. if anybody can do it, it's scott brown, but if he wins, that is going to be a race we'll study for my,any s. >>vel t. whitoene t decrat, versus richard murdoc
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. >> the election is coming. the fight for battleground states, less than four weeks until election day in ohio where there are 18 electoral votes up for grabs. a new cnn poll conducted after the debate shows the president leading by four points, 51-47. romney has gained four points there in just over a week. in new hampshire a new wmur granite state poll showses in last nine day he's whittled the 15-point lead down to 6 points. national polls has romney edging ahead of barack obama for the first time this year. the question is, is this what happens naturally, or was this spurred by the debate? >> it doesn't happen naturally. it happens after an earthquake. >> really? >> there was a political earthquake last week, the likes of which i've never seen in american politics, where a shift happened that dramatically in one night. donny, you've seen these things. i had somebody tell me you need seven positive impressions to move the dial here, and you need this and that. you guys have it all figured out. usually it it c
. >> the election is coming. the fight for battleground states, less than four weeks until election day in ohio where there are 18 electoral votes up for grabs. a new cnn poll conducted after the debate shows the president leading by four points, 51-47. romney has gained four points there in just over a week. in new hampshire a new wmur granite state poll showses in last nine day he's whittled the 15-point lead down to 6 points. national polls has romney edging ahead of barack obama for...
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once that happens, the election is over. i think he can do a great deal. >> gretchen: he doesn't have the experience joe biden has. he's been on capitol hill and been in debate situations before. you think that nerves can play into this at all or is ryan used to be on center stage. >> ryan is well used to it. >> steve: he's a whiz kid. >> he is. this is a unique situation. you have the architect of the program on defending it. >> brian: the other thing is, if paul ryan . joe biden hasn't done an interview in five months and six days to prepare. >> not to prepare. they wanted him off of the road for six days. >> brian: he's not -- not been on for months. >> my book the black helicopters came out yesterday. we know that obama is raising taxes in his second term if he has it. the book said the un is going to impose a new form of taxation and do a income tax for billionaires and do away financial transaction tax that said every time you buy a stock or bond or currency you may a robin hood. tax on cigarettes and off shore oil dri
once that happens, the election is over. i think he can do a great deal. >> gretchen: he doesn't have the experience joe biden has. he's been on capitol hill and been in debate situations before. you think that nerves can play into this at all or is ryan used to be on center stage. >> ryan is well used to it. >> steve: he's a whiz kid. >> he is. this is a unique situation. you have the architect of the program on defending it. >> brian: the other thing is, if paul...
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we don't know how the election is going to be run and we're four weeks out from election night. today is the last day to register e to vote in ohio before the election along with all these other states. today is the last day to register. but in ohio republicans are going to fight down to the wire to stop ohio voters from being able to early vote in the last few days before the election, which i should tell you is when 100,000 people voted in ohio last time. more than a third of the overall margin of victory by which president obama won that state in 2008 were votes cast in the last 30 days. the chairman of the republican party in the county where columbus is, he said he didn't have an interest in, quote, accommodating the urban-read african-american vote in ohio. he's the one who said read african-american. i didn't insert that there. he's not only the chairman, he's on the county election board for the columbus area. he will be running the elections there. all the while, resenting the african-american turnout machine. in the city of cleveland, ohio, african-american voters are
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we'll win this election again. we'll finish what we started. >> that was president obama's argument to voters on the last day of voter registration in ohio. ohio is a must-win state for mitt romney as you have heard countless times. no republican has won the presidency without winning ohio. and for mitt romney today it's all about 47%. a new cnn poll shows president obama leading mitt romney among likely voters in ohio, 51% to 47%. president obama invoked a different 47% campaigning in ohio tonight. >> you know, it's interesting. in 2008, 47% of the country didn't vote for me. but on the night of the election i said to those americans, i may not have won your vote, but i hear your voices. i need your help. i'll be your president, too. >> the president also offered this reminder to ohio voters about jobs. >> ohio, when governor romney said we should let the auto industry go bankrupt, we said no. we're not going to take your advice. don't boo, vote. and we invented a dying auto industry. that supports one in eight oh
we'll win this election again. we'll finish what we started. >> that was president obama's argument to voters on the last day of voter registration in ohio. ohio is a must-win state for mitt romney as you have heard countless times. no republican has won the presidency without winning ohio. and for mitt romney today it's all about 47%. a new cnn poll shows president obama leading mitt romney among likely voters in ohio, 51% to 47%. president obama invoked a different 47% campaigning in...
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. >> i need you in this election. the next 29 days. we cannot afford to be complacent and we cannot afford to be sitting. >> buckeye battleground, obama and romney both in ohio tonight. the state that matters most to republicans. first, romney kicks off the day at a family farm in iowa where he will be speaking minutes from now. and the battle over big bird, the president turns his attack into a punch line and a commercial, as sesame workshop and senator john mccain cried foul over the obama campaign's new bird ad. >> elmo is -- has been seen in a white suburban he's driving for the border. oscar is hide out in his trash can. we're cracking down on them. governor romney's plan is to let wall street run wild again but he's going to bring the hammer down on sesame street. >> one thing that president obama can't run on is his record, and so big bird, i guess, is a fun thing to talk about. >> good day. i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. president obama and mitt romney are heading back to ohio today in a very different situation than t
. >> i need you in this election. the next 29 days. we cannot afford to be complacent and we cannot afford to be sitting. >> buckeye battleground, obama and romney both in ohio tonight. the state that matters most to republicans. first, romney kicks off the day at a family farm in iowa where he will be speaking minutes from now. and the battle over big bird, the president turns his attack into a punch line and a commercial, as sesame workshop and senator john mccain cried foul over...
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we didn't need an election to win. we had a moment at pauley pavilion and oprah came out and michelle came out and maria shriver came out. there was this running narrative at the time. you always had these pictures -- i remember one example of this. this foreign trip we had. we had him meeting he was meeting with heads of state and kings and did this rally with 250,000 people in berlin. and you know, these pictures at home with john mccain, he was going through a grocery store. somebody was throwing something in his cart. we were in germany with this big crowd. he was going into a german restaurant quietly for launch. it -- lunch. he was, that first day on the trip sinks a three-point shot in front of the troops. john mccain motoring with george w. bush at a maine country club in a golf cart. these kinds of pictures i think started from these two people who really understood language and the narrative, you could see these happening all the time throughout the campaign. i think it really helps form, pictures, images for
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there for the next election, we would imagine. >> no, no. in the next debate. >> good to have you here, sir, senator john mccain, thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >>> police spanneding the search for a 10-year-old colorado girl who disappeared last week on her way to school. we are in westminster with the latest on this investigation. miguel, good morning. >> good morning to you. >> reporter: the search for jessica ridgeway began fifth day and police have no suspects or persons of interest but over the weekend they did find owner backpack what could become an important piece of forensic evidence. more than a hundred members of law enforcement are searching for jessica ridgeway. on sunday, jessica's backpack was found about six miles from the missing 10-year-old's house. it's now being examined by the colorado bureau of investigation. >> they are analyzing that, along with some dna samples that we took from the family. >> reporter: police say the fifth grader was last seen while walking to school friday morning. >> we do have
there for the next election, we would imagine. >> no, no. in the next debate. >> good to have you here, sir, senator john mccain, thanks for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >>> police spanneding the search for a 10-year-old colorado girl who disappeared last week on her way to school. we are in westminster with the latest on this investigation. miguel, good morning. >> good morning to you. >> reporter: the search for jessica ridgeway began fifth day...
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preview, last one before the election, comes out today. if you're a congressional junkie like you, chuck, check it out. >> politicsinstereo.com, started with 5 states, up to 19 states, so some of the best state-based, left, right, best political reporting you'll find. >> all good stuff. that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." we'll see you tomorrow. coming up next, chris jansing. bye-bye. [ male announcer ] how do you make america's favorite recipes? just begin with america's favorite soups. bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. or best-ever meatloaf. go to campbellskitchen.com for recipes, plus a valuable coupon. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. plus a valuable coupon. those little things for you, life's about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to
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involves a choice election. two competing alternative visions about the size and shape of role of government in american lives. what governor romney did so effectively in the debate last week was lay out that plausible alternative case in a way and in a forum where many millions of voters were watching him do that. so he made himself a plausible candidate. he laid out an alternative argument. he wasn't just saying the president hasn't done a good job. he was saying the president hasn't done a good job and these are very specific things i will do differently. that has appeal to women, men, you name it. martha: he had his message in a real, relaxed way than he has in the past. there could be argument that also resonated with female voters. let's take a look at something else. you mentioned this look at moderate voters in a piece that you wrote. and here's the moderate voter position. 49 for president obama. 39 for governor romney. you make an interesting point about this. >> yeah. i just find it an absolutely fasc
involves a choice election. two competing alternative visions about the size and shape of role of government in american lives. what governor romney did so effectively in the debate last week was lay out that plausible alternative case in a way and in a forum where many millions of voters were watching him do that. so he made himself a plausible candidate. he laid out an alternative argument. he wasn't just saying the president hasn't done a good job. he was saying the president hasn't done a...
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, i mean, in the next debate. >> won't be there for the next election, we would imagine. anyway. >> no, no, no. the next debate. >> senator john mccain, always good to have you here, sir. thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me on. >> all right. 14 after the hour. here's savannah. >>> all right, matt. thanks. police are expanding the search this morning for a 10-year-old colorado girl who disappeared last week on her way to school. nbc's miguel almaguer is live with more on the investigation. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. as the search for jessica ridgeway enters its fifth day, police have no suspects or persons of interest, but they did find the 10-year-old's backpack which is now being tested as a potential piece of forensic evidence. more than 100 members of law enforcement are searching for jessica ridgeway, a search that has expanded into neighborhoods, open fields and bodies of water near her home. on sunday jessica's backpack was found about six miles from the missing 10-year-old's house. it's now being examined by the colorado bureau of investigat
, i mean, in the next debate. >> won't be there for the next election, we would imagine. anyway. >> no, no, no. the next debate. >> senator john mccain, always good to have you here, sir. thanks for your time. >> thanks for having me on. >> all right. 14 after the hour. here's savannah. >>> all right, matt. thanks. police are expanding the search this morning for a 10-year-old colorado girl who disappeared last week on her way to school. nbc's miguel...
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after the election they will put in a correction. if you notice for the last year every time they put out a number they're correcting it a couple of months later but the correction will be a massive correction and they'll say guess what? we made a mistake but in the meantime let's see what happens with the presidency. and i have to say this, i watch cnbc, and i love nbc, and i have "the apprentice" and it's your big, hot show on sunday night but i watch like sleepy eyes chuck todd knock the hell out of jack welch. i look at him and watch him, your political reporter who is extremely average and i watch him and ken, you understand this very well, i say, i wonder how he would have reacted to jack welch five years ago when jack welch was running general electric. you understand. but i watch these guys at nbc knocking jack welch and i sort of have to smile to myself because i say that's unfortunately the way life works. >> absolutely. you're right on spot, my friend. >> although, donald, do you agree with the argument that's been out the
after the election they will put in a correction. if you notice for the last year every time they put out a number they're correcting it a couple of months later but the correction will be a massive correction and they'll say guess what? we made a mistake but in the meantime let's see what happens with the presidency. and i have to say this, i watch cnbc, and i love nbc, and i have "the apprentice" and it's your big, hot show on sunday night but i watch like sleepy eyes chuck todd...
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but this election they didn't even donate $150,000. employees felt betrayed by the president after he was elected. so far goldman employees gave $900,000 to mitt romney's campaign which has not called them fat cats. >> gretchen: you have never seen a bull fight like this one. [applause] >> gretchen: yeah, the guys are tossed around like rag dolls. it lets them jump in the ring. see what kind of insurance cover: two of them were injured seriously. >> brian: jack and rose on the titantic floating on the icy waters of atlantic. what if there was a way jack could have been kept alive. ♪ >> i don't want you to go jack. i will never let go. >> brian: sadly that is the last song he ever hear. when put to the test if the couple put rosy life precessor under the piece of wood they would have survived and we wouldn't have heard that song every day for five years. >> steve: and they could have watched cable tv. >> brian: and wireless in the water and need to go to that. if she liked him, she would have done something with the piece of wood. let
but this election they didn't even donate $150,000. employees felt betrayed by the president after he was elected. so far goldman employees gave $900,000 to mitt romney's campaign which has not called them fat cats. >> gretchen: you have never seen a bull fight like this one. [applause] >> gretchen: yeah, the guys are tossed around like rag dolls. it lets them jump in the ring. see what kind of insurance cover: two of them were injured seriously. >> brian: jack and rose on the...
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does it make him more electable? absolutely. >> andrea, i know you will remember this because you were covering it. but i go back to 1987, i remember all of those nasty stories about george h.w. bush and remember then vice president bush was saying when i eat pork grinds and when i'm driving around d.c., i listen to the country radio station and go out on the campaign trail and look goofy and you'd be like, stop it, you're such a dignified man, be yourself. he was himself, peggy noonan gave him the words to be himself at the convention and he ran with it after that. maybe we're seeing the same transformation with mitt romney who looks goofy when he's not being himself. but when he's more temperamentally moderate, he seems to be a much tighter fit. >> and don't forget that george herbert walker bush made key compromises with the budget and taxes which probably led to his defeat, which was probably the best governing decisions at the time, even though it went against a lot of his base. >> richard? >> absolutely. histor
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closer and closer toward election day. am i right to suppose that a lack of clarity over when people are going to be allowed to vote is the sort of thing that can create both confusion at the county level and potentially something that can translate into longer lines and chaos at the polling place? is it right to connect those two things? >> i thi you're absolutely right to connect those two. >> what we have seen is that when there's a lot of confusion relating to voting hours or when people can vote, they just stay at home because they don't know what to do. and i really think that this is by design, frankly. i mean, after all, it didn't take mr. husted a weekend to decide to fire us when we voted for early voting. within two hours, we were suspended. so i know he's capable of making some quick decisions. >> based on this court ruling on friday, one of the things that i have been trying to figure out, if it's a possible outcome of this, is something that secretary husted tried to figure out before. more night hours, more
closer and closer toward election day. am i right to suppose that a lack of clarity over when people are going to be allowed to vote is the sort of thing that can create both confusion at the county level and potentially something that can translate into longer lines and chaos at the polling place? is it right to connect those two things? >> i thi you're absolutely right to connect those two. >> what we have seen is that when there's a lot of confusion relating to voting hours or...
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both campaigns view this as a base election. you have here a leading conservative, potential 2016 candidate if mitt romney loses and the vice president of the united states, a leading liberal who hasn't ruled out a 2016 run of his own. >> there's a 2016 subplot already going on? >> it's not even such a subplot. >> it's not even over yet. 2012 is not even over. you're exhausting me. you kidding me? what, you think because they both have an eye on 2016 already? >> without a doubt. look, if mitt romney loses, and paul ryan turns in a strong performance not only in this debate but in the final four weeks, he would be the odds-on early front-runner. very, very, very early front-runner. joe biden, a lot of people say wait a minute, he would be too old. trust me. he's told his political team rule nothing out. is he just saying that because if he rules out running, he loses leverage, loses stature. maybe, if you talk to his team, he's going to keep looking at it. they say he feels great. >> it's exhausting. >> i know, tell me about it.
both campaigns view this as a base election. you have here a leading conservative, potential 2016 candidate if mitt romney loses and the vice president of the united states, a leading liberal who hasn't ruled out a 2016 run of his own. >> there's a 2016 subplot already going on? >> it's not even such a subplot. >> it's not even over yet. 2012 is not even over. you're exhausting me. you kidding me? what, you think because they both have an eye on 2016 already? >> without...